tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post8823585912135981901..comments2024-03-13T06:57:54.343+00:00Comments on Obnoxio The Clown: I don't think I'm a heartless bastardObnoxio The Clownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12012089552153702526noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-47313561776786755552011-05-20T20:18:46.231+01:002011-05-20T20:18:46.231+01:00There is always a good reason for something obscur...There is always a good reason for something obscure and confusing.<br /><br />Foreign aid? Why would a government go out and pay obscure 3rd world countries which is incredibly corrupt.<br /><br />Well, if british defence companies continually used to get in trouble for bribing individuals. If you wanted to "clean up" this practice, you would set up a "free aid" process where they could receive the money legally, then corrupt themselves to pieces and we wouldn't be to blame.<br /><br />Simple, effective and just about moral no?low resolution foxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-63521036349081676962011-04-06T09:50:43.637+01:002011-04-06T09:50:43.637+01:00been here after a long time. excellent post, Obo.
...been here after a long time. excellent post, Obo.<br /><br />girl interruptedsimranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01035926076329654524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-38498063315013655092011-03-29T09:07:39.916+01:002011-03-29T09:07:39.916+01:00"Yet when I point out that the state makes no..."Yet when I point out that the state makes no effort to provide food for the poor, yet they are unable to show me all the poor dying of starvation"<br /><br /><br />I'm not so sure this statement is true. Surely in many cases the benefit system is providing food, shelter ect?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-1609216451921721382011-03-26T14:31:10.696+00:002011-03-26T14:31:10.696+00:00Nice article, thanks for the information.Nice article, thanks for the information.sewa mobilhttp://griyamobilkita.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-79414878370547673132011-03-16T21:36:11.279+00:002011-03-16T21:36:11.279+00:00I've been called heartless, many times when I ...I've been called heartless, many times when I suggest removing the state provision of a particular good or service. People simply cannot believe that if the state is not providing say heathcare for the poor that anyone ever would. <br /><br />Yet when I point out that the state makes no effort to provide food for the poor, yet they are unable to show me all the poor dying of starvation. <br /><br />I ask them if they really think that another version of Greggs or Tescos would not be providing healthcare to the poor if the states crushing monopoly was removed. But of course, they simply do not want to hear the argument. Its easier to call me heartless than it is to think outside a lifetimes brainwashing from the State/BBC.Kingbingohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943872286295476316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-85740917311660405242011-03-16T21:29:15.404+00:002011-03-16T21:29:15.404+00:00Theory and evidence both suggest
that standards w...Theory and evidence both suggest <br />that standards would be better than in state-directed education systems – especially <br />for the poor. This is not a recipe for perfection. The problem is that the pursuit of <br />perfection and an intolerance of risk and diversity have led to a situation where <br />state provision for the poor – the very people the state system was designed <br />to help – is particularly bad.Kingbingohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943872286295476316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-9452301923135142902011-03-12T19:48:07.720+00:002011-03-12T19:48:07.720+00:00Excellent post. Now look at Westminster. Some home...Excellent post. Now look at Westminster. Some homeless people are being fed by some charitable Christian people, and Westminster council say it has to stop. Is this a)because the state/council are not in control? b)it is because it is Christians and not a multi something whatever doing it? c)it encourages homeless people in Westminster?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-50642588965828504622011-03-11T08:03:26.082+00:002011-03-11T08:03:26.082+00:00Your faith in society/humanity is truely remarkabl...Your faith in society/humanity is truely remarkable, also not sure you knowledge of Africa is quite right...try living there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-42974758460011813482011-03-10T14:42:05.474+00:002011-03-10T14:42:05.474+00:00@Danny - Eh?@Danny - Eh?Michael Fowkehttp://moneyistheway.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-36196303545558810862011-03-10T02:24:03.113+00:002011-03-10T02:24:03.113+00:00felt paragraphs 12-19 read like the synopsis for t...felt paragraphs 12-19 read like the synopsis for the 'eastenders' pilot wrote by chomsky - but in a parallel dimension, obviously, ---<br /><br />but like to imagine what did survive his first draft (all details of which channeled thru the powers of bbc warlocks via ouija board) is the fact none of the "residents of albert square" ever mention politics.Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431778902823777393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-19108811700171333612011-03-09T09:33:53.135+00:002011-03-09T09:33:53.135+00:00I dont care if society falls apart without governm...I dont care if society falls apart without government. It can rebuild itself like it has done for all time. However if I am happy for my taxes to pay for one thing then its the safekeeping of nuclear weapons. I dont see the benefit of them being in private hands.kitlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-31161396921572519682011-03-09T00:20:16.938+00:002011-03-09T00:20:16.938+00:00I was going to write a long and intelligent post e...I was going to write a long and intelligent post extolling the very real virtues of Libertarianism over the current failed political model. No need. I can sum it up briefly. All you lefties and righties and fucking lib dems and whatever - the mess we are in is your mess. You created this. Not me or anyone I know. You did this to me and mine. You suckle at the teet of the EUSSR. You undermine my Laws protecting me from totalitarian sociopaths. You encourage politicos to tax me to the point of breaking, to support your 5 year plans and wars in fucking terror. You demand that I pay my hard earned cash so that the NHS can give beer to alkies, drugs to junkies, anything to medical tourists, and everything translated in 27 languages. You think we get value from our council tax. You say nothing while our public purse is subject to widespread fraud. Our 'democracy' is nothing of the kind. You voted fuckwits to run the show. I didn't. <br /><br />I rest my case. Hang your heads in fucking shame, or continue to live in denial....cunts!Just Woke Upnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-9770361262703215142011-03-09T00:13:20.435+00:002011-03-09T00:13:20.435+00:00Clown, the logic is simple. As everyone knows, lef...Clown, the logic is simple. As everyone knows, lefties are more intelligent and more compassionate than anyone else. That is axiomatic to lefty logic. Now, since you are in the wrong tribe, anything you have to say, no matter how well reasoned it may be, will therefore be stupid and bad. So yes, you are a heartless bastard.dangphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11832580837328826375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-79337824842231425082011-03-08T22:15:46.774+00:002011-03-08T22:15:46.774+00:00Are there any developed societies that have no sta...Are there any developed societies that have no state?<br />Were times just dandy when there was no or little state?<br />Did philanthropy cover all our needs?<br />And if you don't care about any of the things you discuss why are you pleading for snivelling leftie approval? Nay, begging, grovelling even. <br />"Am I heartless, am I? Don't think that I am, pleeeeaaasse."<br />Clowny will just have to decide for himself. Called a conscience that is.Sue Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849801822216267250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-16533687253311299912011-03-08T21:02:04.380+00:002011-03-08T21:02:04.380+00:00Good post Obo - enjoyed it. I read somewhere that ...Good post Obo - enjoyed it. I read somewhere that the public sector employed one million more after Labour's 13 years. Strange but I don't recall any moment in the previous 48 years of my life when I thought: "What we need is loads more public sector workers to provide services I can't even think of." So I would say that more government is the ultimate illustration of the law of diminishing returns. My message to government is "get out of my face", as my elder daughter used to say when I was on her case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-4608496638328573532011-03-08T16:46:41.603+00:002011-03-08T16:46:41.603+00:00All eyes on Greece, apparently they're fucked ...All eyes on Greece, apparently they're fucked financially. The rich never paid any tax because they could afford to avoid it. Now the poorer are pissed of about that and not paying either.<br /><br />Mad Max: Beyond the Acropolis anyone?<br /><br />;)pa_broon74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01915208411019621104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-69024667404667060972011-03-08T15:07:58.690+00:002011-03-08T15:07:58.690+00:00That should be "Mad Max".That should be "Mad Max".Michael Fowkehttp://moneyistheway.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-11129873475638885262011-03-08T15:05:54.035+00:002011-03-08T15:05:54.035+00:00"One of the most frequent accusations levelle..."One of the most frequent accusations levelled against libertarians in general and me in particular is that we're selfish, heartless bastards who only want to keep all our money for ourselves and everyone else should just get to fuck and starve."<br /><br />Even though I feel I have a lot of Libertarian qualities, this is my biggest reservation about Libertarianism. The money that any of us earn cannot be earned in a vacuum. We make money by interacting with society. So maybe we should be taxed for the good of society, because money-making is impossible without society.<br /><br />I suppose you will say we can still have society without the state, but I don't have great faith in the human race. We will end up with a Max Max situation.<br /><br />The best solution is a very small state with low taxes.Michael Fowkehttp://moneyistheway.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-86575856384825823652011-03-08T13:56:31.681+00:002011-03-08T13:56:31.681+00:00You actually have conversations with lefties? Sai...You actually have conversations with lefties? Saints be praised! <br /><br />I could never have a conversation with my Looney Leftie ex. He was so indoctrinated, so convinced that he was 'on the side of the angels', that I was unable to get a word in edgeways. Well not without braining him one first...sixtypoundsaweekcleanernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-47243719274848405552011-03-08T12:51:38.155+00:002011-03-08T12:51:38.155+00:00@John W
Saying that the 80's was libertariani...@John W<br /><br />Saying that the 80's was libertarianism's chance to work is nonsense. Yeah, economic liberty increased somewhat but social liberty didn't and neither did political liberty (granted, there was some issues of political manoeuvring in that).<br /><br />As a nation, we have had ~120 years of increasing State interference in our lives. People have become used to the 'benevolent', 'caring' state, they aren't going to reorder society to fill the void overnight. It is a typical instance of damage being very quick to do, very slow to undo.<br /><br />Talk to most libertarians and most of them will telling you that you can't change things overnight.Bobskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04724077328484692309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-29815790068094688312011-03-08T12:34:20.490+00:002011-03-08T12:34:20.490+00:00Excellent post Obo,
Freed from the state beast, w...Excellent post Obo,<br /><br />Freed from the state beast, ways of generating wealth, caring for yourself your family, friends and neighbours is limited only by your own imagination and effort.I am Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04101757111187294588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-20657804607774439052011-03-08T11:35:55.540+00:002011-03-08T11:35:55.540+00:00"Oh, but charity isn't enough and it isn&..."Oh, but charity isn't enough and it isn't organised enough."<br /><br />On the contrary, "charities" in this country are very well organised. I done some trawling around the web as a result of various blog posts, and have been horrified at how interwoven most of them are. They even have their own government department specifically to dish out taxpayers money. <br /><br />I've downloaded accounts and it quickly becomes difficult to see who's paying who, as they all seem to grant each other money. <br /><br />Whilst I agree that this is an excellent post, John W does have a point in as much as you really need to start with a blank sheet for libertarianism to work. Our society is too fucked up to expect everyone to suddenly get along nicely with each other...microdavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01352078582764696261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-1063663099456204152011-03-08T10:53:24.450+00:002011-03-08T10:53:24.450+00:00Superb post!Superb post!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-22066937101941794382011-03-08T10:32:47.045+00:002011-03-08T10:32:47.045+00:00Fair.
Now what are you going to do about it?Fair.<br /><br />Now what are you going to do about it?Uncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4471993488623327927.post-30315893872487137502011-03-08T10:29:33.084+00:002011-03-08T10:29:33.084+00:00The problem I see here Obo is that libertarians ha...The problem I see here Obo is that libertarians have a set of assumptions which are not necessarily borne out by facts or experience.<br /><br />The assumption here is that, by removing state influence from our lives (social, economic, personal) people will naturally gravitate toward more sociable, altruistic behaviour and a new sense of social solidarity would be born. Unfortunately the last time the state was 'rolled back', in the 80's, people were found to be far less sociable and charitable than at first assumed. We were exposed as a society of atomised, mistrustful individuals all summed up in the immortal words of an old colleague of mine: "love thy neighbour? Nah, fuck thy neighbour"!<br /><br />Now any sensible lefty like myself will admit the state is not the panacea for all society's ills and is more often than not a barrier to a culture of social solidarity, personal liberty and responsibility. But these ideas don't just pop out of thin air.<br /><br />Let's put it this way - if you want a million flowers (or 60 million) to bloom in a libertarian society you've got to plant the seeds first. You can't assume they're already in the ground.John Whttp://www.twitter.com/WestonBaynoreply@blogger.com