Monday, 5 April 2010

Are there any Tories left?

Via BlueLabourHome:

Mr Duncan Smith may prove to be the most influential ex-leader of all time.

God help us all.

Traditional Tories have always been suspicious of the term "social justice". It would seem to imply that social outcomes could be determined in the political equivalent of a courtroom. So when IDS called his new think-tank the Centre for Social Justice, old-fashioned Tories did not know whether to be amused at the clothes-stealing or alarmed at the implications. But there was no need for alarm.

Au cuntraire, there's a load of need for alarm. Cameron is a wet, tax and spend, big "society" Labourite. IDS is enamoured of social justice. Grayling, Lansley, Osborne, and more, all so wet you can shoot snipe off them*.

Even Ken Clarke is so pro-EU that his value as a Tory is diminished and of course, he's quick to smoke the Cameron pole. Hannan, Carswell, Redwood will all rather awkwardly suck Cameron's cock when it comes to the push.

So, are there any proper Tories left?


SorenK said...

norman polecat tebbit

Anonymous said...

Me ,untill Big Dave sent me a letter saying how much he enjoyed
seeing me and other Tory idiots
standing outside the local Con club,getting pissed wet through ,
having a smoke.

Stuff him .Trot wet.

Voice in the wilderness

Vladimir said...

But RateMyTory says they're all still nasty conservatives!

"Would you like to be represented by one of only five MPs who voted against the Climate Change Bill?" it asks.

Surely left-liberals wouldn't lie?

Cochrane said...

Of course there are, but they are mostly in exile in UKIP. Moreover, it would appear that their exile will be of quite some duration.

Costello said...

I'm witholding judgement on Hannan and Carswell until we're a few years into the next Conservative administration. If the Cameron government turns out to be as bloody awful and Laborite as we predict and they just sit there playing along then they are worthless hypocrites. However i think there's a decent chance that they might end up switching to a proper conservative party (UKIP being the only alternative) should Cameron totally disregard them.

Kingbingo said...

Actually after 13 years of Labour, I'm more than happy to give the only other winnable party the benefit of the doubt and wait until I can judge them on what they actually do.

Ob, stop getting your panties in a twist.

Vladimir said...

They said Blair deserved the benefit of the doubt, back in 1997. He didn't. He was worse than anyone could have imagined.

"New Labour was a recognition that the values of enterprise and aspiration could be fused with a commitment to social justice and fairness. And the party that best exemplifies that view now is David Cameron's Conservative Party.".
Michael Gove, quoted in the Telegraph, March 2010

The warning signs are all there, from "heir to Blair" to "cast iron promises". If you support the Tories and help to put the new Blair on the throne, you will regret it.

Kingbingo said...

"They said Blair deserved the benefit of the doubt, back in 1997."

Well I fucking did not!

Mr Rob said...

Sorry about the repetition:

Don't Vote Tory

Hey, Obo, are you still supporting Old Holborn and his freedom of speech supporting backers with their non-party that has thirty policies that are binding on all candidates?

J Demetriou said...

'Obnoxio the Clown', the bloke who has made a name out of irreverence and rudeness, is the biggest fence-sitting pussy of the lot, Mr Rob. He claims not to have much to do with the likes of DK and OH, yet whenever their names come up and criticism or questions are made, he pipes up in milky defence.

Hence our historic attacks against the Country Club mentality.

Mr B and I will be destroying certain characters, particularly Jury Team, during the election campaign.

What a shame Obo will be found sat on a fence somewhere with a very sore clown arse.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Ah. I see the old blog stats are down, hence the spoiling for a fight.

Never mind eh?

J Demetriou said...

Blog stats never been better, largely thanks to our recent political pieces.

Why do you and OH and Raccoon et al always jump to the conclusion that when we raise criticisms, it's because we want stats?

Is that how your minds work? How telling.

No mate, I'd rather people fuck off and never come back than read us purely out of some lame thrill for an egg fight.

Why not answer to the accusations, mate, instead of throwing out these pathetic distractions.

Come on, what do you think about Jury Team, OH's campaign and do you think it is worthwhile or at all helpful to libertarianism?

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Mr Rob, I still support Old Holborn, but not for any political reason.

I think the Jury Party is a pile of wank and I don't really think they have a worthwhile platform. I think their country club arrangement with other fringe parties is probably quite sensible, but the fringe parties they've chosen are a bunch of cumstains. Still, it could be the BNP, so let's be grateful for that.

But, as I said in my post on the subject, I know that Old Holborn can be a huge pain in the arse for people who just want to get on with things. He will forever be fucking around, causing upset, provoking ministers and saying "Look at me, look at me!" And frankly, I think MPs have earned themselves a pain in the arse.

It's not something I'd wish on Parliament if they hadn't fucked me off as much as they have.

But they have, so fuck 'em. Let them get stuck with a proper cunt for a while.

Mr Rob said...

Obo, you should have been the aspiring politico, not Old Holborn.

You manage to construct a position where you condemn the censoring pile of dishonest shit that is the Jury Team; correctly identify the EDP and the Christian Party as cumstains.....yet still manage to support your country club pals OH and Raccoon, although of course you don't like him!

Fucking majestic mate, well done!

Obnoxio The Clown said...

OH is definitely not my mate. I came within a ballhair's width of giving up blogging because of him and his window-licking fans.

Raccoon isn't really my "mate" either, although I think she's a much more consistently interesting and thought-provoking blogger than certain other people who think they're les grande fromages de blogging. I certainly have a lot more respect for her than I do for OH.

My perspective on why I'm "supporting" Old Holborn is pretty much exactly as it was when I made my original post. I did wonder after B&D's comments whether I should withdraw my support, because they raised valid issues which I hadn't really thought about when I made my "recommendation".

However, I originally gave him my support not because I believe in him as a person or the Jury Team as a "party", but precisely because I know what an enormous pain in the arse he can be and how much he will revel in being a pain in the arse to the government. And I (spitefully) believe that the government deserves to be fucked around as much as humanly possible.

My endorsement of Old Holborn never had anything to do with party politics or "chumminess".

I'd be just as happy to endorse a rabid Rottweiler in the Commons and for much the same reason.

You can (and will, no doubt) choose to believe whatever you want. I, however, am entirely comfortable with the "internal consistency" of my position.

Gendeau said...

I'd like to see OH as Speaker of the House, that ought to shake things up a bit.

Plan B involves nuking the place from orbit, it's the only way to be sure

Obnoxio The Clown said...

And snakes with tits. :o)

Vladimir said...

@KingBingo. "Well I fucking did not!"

No, and neither did I. But people who weren't 100% sure about Blair did vote for him anyway to "give him a chance". Just like people who are quite doubtful about Cameron will probably "give him a chance". A chance he does not deserve, based on his dismal record in opposition.

Mr Rob said...

Sorry Obo, I didn't intend that you should form the impression that I think you, Old Holborn and Raccoon are "mates" - I only used that word to you at the end of my comment, sarcastically.

If you read carefully and slowly you will see that I referred to them as your country club pals - which I take to mean people who merely share some (usually vested) interest.

I didn't mean to imply that you have friends.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Thank God for that! :o)


Obnoxio The Clown said...

PS The only interest I have in common with OH is entirely unvested. And it's been discussed to death.

Mitch said...

It's not rakes is it ho ho ho .

Anonymous said...

Here's one:

sixtypoundsaweekcleaner said...

And I (spitefully) believe that the government deserves to be fucked around as much as humanly possible....

No, they deserve to be arrested for treason and shot.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Sixty: that's never going to happen, is it?

sixtypoundsaweekcleaner said...

Don't depress me. I need something to look forward to.

John Pickworth said...

"So, are there any proper Tories left?"

I'm sure there are... problem is, none of them appear to be in the Conservative Party at the moment.

Dark Lochnagar said...

The answer is no. None at least with the conviction of a Maggie Thatcher or even God help us, John Major.

JuliaM said...

"Why do you and OH and Raccoon et al always jump to the conclusion that when we raise criticisms, it's because we want stats?"

Because when people hear hoofbeats, they don't think 'zebras'?

Joseph Takagi said...

Traditional Tories have always been suspicious of the term "social justice"

Anyone who's a rational human being should hate the term "social justice" because it's an abuse of the English language, a phrase used by almost anyone to mean "whatever I say it means".