Monday 23 August 2010

It comes as quite a shock, I tell you!

Dizzy examines the proposed graduate tax scheme:

The fact is, when you actually look at the graduate tax proposal it's clear who will really gain from it. The Political Class.

It will be the bag carrier greasy pole types, the policy wonks, the NUS presidents and the assortment of other "never done a proper job" politicos on crap money with great quality degrees who'll be subsidised by the graduates from crappy ex-polys with a Desmond, who then work their balls off to earn as much as they can in an area with no relevance to their education.


Well, bugger me! Who would have thought it, eh?

But no, it's all fine, because the increasingly libertarian Tories and hugely "liberal" Democrats are in charge, so they will definitely not be doing anything to buttfuck the ordinary man.

So, not only frightened to death of repealing shit Labour legislation, but also quite happy to introduce new cuntishness for the benefit of the political class. Oh yes, I can definitely see how the new lot are completely different from the old lot.

That campaign to modify the Tory party from the inside is clearly paying benefits.

15 comments:

Kingbingo said...

Yep, this one is totally fuckocidealy awful. A totally unfair bunch wank dreamt up by St Vince of Cable, who should be recognised as a mad old socialist bastard and ignored as such.
Cameron would mad to let this one see the light of day.

On your second point however, it just proves my point. If St Vince of Cable is able to influence them from within so can a libertarian. I never claimed that the Tories were on the verge of a libertarian break through. Only that it was a viable strategy. You see now the danger of conceding that ground to liberals and old socialists who will quite happily fill that space if a libertarian doesn’t.

If all the libertarians are stood around in Obnoxios basement playing soggy biscuit and not trying to influence the major parties this is what happens.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

"On your second point however, it just proves my point. If St Vince of Cable is able to influence them from within so can a libertarian."

WRONG!!!!

St Vince of Cable can influence them precisely because his thinking is common in its statist roots to that of the Cameroons.

Libertarian thinking will NOT influence iDave because it's foreign to his weltsanschaaung.

Kingbingo said...

“St Vince of Cable can influence them precisely because his thinking is common in its statist roots to that of the Cameroons.

Libertarian thinking will NOT influence iDave because it's foreign to his weltsanschaaung.”

Sorry, but why are you do the equation iDave=Tories=forever.

True he is the leader right now, and he won us the election so we tolerate him, but people like me do not equate with his outlook. The Tories won’t ‘start’ to be interesting until they are lead by a Hannan or Carswell or maybe a Redwood. If I can play a very small part in helping and promoting the right people the more the better.

But its simple. Dave is better than Gordon, so he gets my support.
Dave is not better than so Dave only has that backing until such a time as is in a position to challenge.

It’s much the same as if I were a yank I would have voted McCain as he is better than BarackO-Marx. But I would still support Ron Paul over McCain in a heartbeat.

Rationalist said...

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Obnoxio The Clown said...

"Sorry, but why are you do the equation iDave=Tories=forever."

I don't (iDon't?) - but it's clear when you look at the overwhelming mass of the political class, then Hannan and Carswell stand out as the lunatic fringe and outsiders.

And really, even Hannan and Carswell believe in the state, they're happy to play its games.

So you have the overwhelming majority of the political class, the media and the sheeple who vote for them who are all aligned to statist thinking.

Your misguided efforts to get Tory turkeys to vote for Christmas will never bear any tangible fruit.

Ask ANY activist from ANY political party whether they have EVER changed their party's policy in such a radical way.

As someone who looks at the social democrat philosophies of all the major parties, I can tell you that anyone who claims to have made their party more libertarian is either delusional or lying.

Kingbingo said...

Fine, lets say the above is 100% true. What's the alternative, how else can one make a difference.

It's because I see no alternative is why I stick to my guns.

Rationalist said...

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Obnoxio The Clown said...

You do know what the definition of insanity is, don't you?

Kingbingo said...

WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE ?????

STOP DODGING THE QUESTION !!!

Obnoxio The Clown said...

It's not trying to change from within, I can tell you that! :o)

Kingbingo said...

So can I suggest sir that you would be on somewhat strong footing when criticising my bad plan if you has any plan. Any plan at all.

Rationalist said...

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Paul said...

Why not join UKIP? You'd have a better chance there (with a decent sized libertarian-leaning membership) than with some monkeys in a party no-one has ever heard of or the Conservatory party.

Kingbingo said...

I’m sympathise with UKIP, and I would happily vote for them at euro elections (it it were not for the fact that Dan Hannan is my MEP).

If we had AVI would probably list my preferences as 1:LPUK 2: UKIP 3:Tory 4:Lib Dumps and then I would have to think hard about where Labour and BNP came.

Indeed, if we had AV I may even consider standing for LPUK myself. As long as I was certain that by doing so I was raising awareness and not making it more likely that Labour might actually win.

Rationalist said...

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