British "sex tourists" who abuse children abroad could face prosecution in the UK even if their actions were legal in the country they visited.So, this is how it works: everyone (apart from kiddy fiddlers) feels that fiddling kids is outrageous and beyond the pale -- even though other cultures feel differently about it. And historically, kids "got it on" a lot earlier with official approval (like Romeo and Juliet, for example.) But in the UK, it's quite possibly the worst crime you can commit. So our culture is X, and that's fine. Here.
And don't get me wrong: I have a daughter and I don't relish the idea of some pervy older bloke molesting her, but I realise that it's probably a conditioned response. Realistically, I realise that its far more likely that it's going to be one of her schoolmates that introduces her to ... it's too early in the morning for me to get my head around the idea of that, anyway.
Jim Gamble, chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre - an alliance of British and foreign police forces, computer experts, charities and schools - said the sexual abuse of children was "the worst crime imaginable".See? It's definitely beyond the pale here.
Consequently, people go to places where their kink is legal, and that's disgusting and all to us. The government and media in the UK have already got people wound up about Paedogeddon to the extent that pediatricians have been assaulted by moronic red-top readers. But the key thing is that in the places these people go to, its legal.
And now this shower of shit are going to prosecute people for acts that were not crimes where they were committed. There are loads of countries where having sex with someone under 16 is legal.
The new rules, part of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, will come into force on Monday.Personally, I think even that's a bit rich. If I rob a bank in Italy, should I expect the British justice system to prosecute me?
In some countries, possessing indecent images of children is not illegal, or the age of consent is lower than 16.
The Home Office said British police would work with their counterparts abroad to bring offenders to account.
Current laws provide powers to prosecute for sex offences abroad only when they are illegal in that country.
Zoe Hilton of the NSPCC said:
It is essential that these new measures are accompanied by more resources to convict, manage and monitor offenders who go overseas to abuse childrenOh right, so once you've done your time, you have not, in fact, done your time? You're not allowed to do anything without the NSPCC keeping an eye on you?
What happens if you grew up in a culture where the age of consent was 12 and you had in the course of your life boffed a couple of 14-year olds (or whatever)? Now you move to the UK and suddenly you get banged up for child molestation, get the crap beaten out of you in prison and get stalked by the News of the Screws. It's not like we're talking about going somewhere exotic, either: the French allow you to boff a 15-year-old, the Portuguese a 14-year-old, the Spanish a 13-year-old!
But it's OK, right, because it's only paedos and they're all scum anyway?
Right up until they decide that maybe because you've been to Holland for some weed and weed is illegal here, they're going to do you for that. Or you partook of a stoning in Pakistan and now you're up for murder. Or whatever. The precedent is set, our rules and laws now apply to us wherever we go in the world.
The Americans have laws that you have to be 21 to buy booze. Imagine a 20-year-old Brit going to the USA and being arrested for having been seen in the pub since he was 18. The outrage would be enormous. Imagine if the Arab states started prosecuting (and punishing, Sharia-stylee) ex-pats living there for having had affairs or having had a drink. We'd be up in arms!
There are so many ways that this is a bad idea I can think of without even having had my first cup of coffee this morning!
I can't believe we already have laws that allow people to be tried for crimes committed in other countries, but I really cannot believe that we now have laws allowing people to be tried for acts that aren't crimes where they were committed.
But it's OK, right, because they're thinking of the children.
Update: Timmy has a similar view:
Doesn’t it also rather breach one of the basics of the legal code? That you can only be tried for things that were in fact a crime at the time and place they were committed?
Or does the fact that it’s for the kiddies trump all such considerations?
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There's a more sinister aspect...
If you've been to Spain, and on return find a 15-year-old has claimed you slept with them, can you prove you didn't? Can you prove all that happened was a ten-minute conversation in the street? On examination, she's found not to be a virgin. Full-on shock and horror in the UK, a shrug and a 'so what' in Spain. She's been legally able to sleep with anyone she likes for two years.
Sounds like a good way for foreign under-16's to load up with good old British compo. There's no way for the Brit to win that case: even if he is cleared, he's probably now unemployed and nobody will touch him.
This law won't catch a single criminal because the Spanish police, for example, are not going to spend their time enforcing something that isn't illegal in Spain. All it's going to catch are those mugs who fall for traps set by foreign girls. They don't need any more than a name and a description.
Besides, didn't the British empire fold up a while back? I thought we lost the right to impose our laws on others when that happened.
Anyway, it's nothing to do with children at all really. The PC don't care about the children. They are doing this for the same reason they do everything else. Control.
Did you notice it applies to British citizens, but not British residents? Foreign criminals will still be allowed to hide here.
On the other hand, are those who ran away to Gretna Green now living in sin with their bastard children?
The entire world (well, the UK) is going fucking ape shit mental.
I regularly drive to Germany so that I can hit 186 mph on a public road, fully aware that nothing except moist dust and a strange smell would exist should I fuck up. That alone would see me doing 3-6 months in the UK.
Hang on. It is illegal in Germany to mention Hitler..... and people have been tried and jailed (in Germany) for denying the holocaust outside of Germany.
We ARE FUCKED!
(PS. DId you know it's illegal to call a pig Napolean in France?)
Then you'd best start worrying about the European Arrest Warrant, my dear.
The new plans for traffic enforcement is the thin end of the wedge which, if it comes in, would be a good time for all decent libertarians to pack their bags and leave this godforsaken country.
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