Wednesday, 25 November 2009

Just another reason why we shouldn't defer to governments

Especially supranational governments, like the EU:

In sum, these results call for a measured policy of greenhouse gas emission reduction. There is reason to believe that European climate policy is overly ambitious.

Now, this comes from an AGW believer and expert in economics and actually, I think he's being a little disingenuous. The EU is not being over ambitious, they are just pissing the money away. I don't see any evidence that the EU is actually being effective with their policies - I see them taxing the fuck out of us to keep the French farmer happy.

Well, fuck them all - they can stand or fall on their own fucking merits. (The whole article is actually worth a read though: there is maths to show that we are being severely over-taxed in the name of saving Gaia. Quelle surprise, as a French farmer might say.)

Update: As if by magic:

Rich countries pledged $410m (£247m) a year in a 2001 declaration - but it is now unclear whether the money was paid.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has accused industrialised countries of failing to keep their promise.

The EU says the money was paid out in bilateral deals, but admits it cannot provide data to prove it.

And still we have people telling us how wonderful and benign and good the EU is.



Thomas Byrne said...

I criticise the EU at the drop of a hat, just like I would with the UK but that doesn't stop me in believing in the EU as a constitutional entity, indeed the blunders like the post you posted here are just as common place in the UK.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

So that's OK then? We should just allow "blunders" like 15 years of unaudited accounts to carry on indefinitely? We should just allow them to carry on pissing our money away because of your still-unjustified "belief in the EU as a constitutional entity"?

I've asked you a dozen times to justify why you think the EU is a good thing, and I'm still waiting.

Thomas Byrne said...

The accounts not being signed are down to the national governments...

Obnoxio The Clown said...

How does that make it better? And can you prove this?

Umbongo said...

Thomas Byrne

Before you answer Obo's last comment - and before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you have already - I suggest you read this.

Atheist Ranter said...

If I told the fucking tax man I'd paid my tax but couldn't 'provide data to prove it' I'd be severely fucked by him, dragged of to clink and generally given a hard time.

But then again, I'm just a pawn like the rest of us

Thomas Byrne said...

1. The accounts of the EU have been stated by the Court of Auditors to be reliable; the budget is clearly stated and accepted.

2. The reason they are not signed of is almost entirely the fault of member-state governments, not the EU.

3. The UK government does not have as rigorous standards of budgetary accountability as the EU, and indeed could not sign off its accounts if these standards were applied.

Anything wrong with that? There's countless evidence to be dragged out.

Atheist Ranter said...


So the EU have a web page saying they police themselves. That's good! I thought they were all crooks, but i'm glad that page shows how wrong I was.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Thomas: just saying it's so, doesn't make it so. You have not provided any proof of point 2.

And anyway, it's beside the point: I'm still waiting for you to show me why the EU is a good thing.

ukipwebmaster said...

The age of Stupid?

Mitch said...

"has accused industrialised countries of failing to keep their promise. "

no shit!!

Anonymous said...

The union is cracking under the strain:

Thomas Byrne said...

Basicly Obo, I think if we're going to have a state, I think that different fuctions are better carried out at different levels and the EU supplies and does that.

Not that we're likely to agree of course.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

What does the EU deliver better than an individual country could?

Thomas Byrne said...

Measures I would support generally involve taking terrorism policing to EU level, while implementing Conservative policy of having local elected police chiefs.

Most of my inspiration (As are Hannans probably, but he isnt so pragmatic) is from 'The Machiery of Freedom).

It's a bit of a silly question though, why do we have different levels of responsibility for anything?

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Why would we tackle terrorism on an EU level? Are you saying that Britain needs to give a rat's arse about the ETA or that the Italians need to care about the IRA?