And tribalists from other parties need to take note of the message too. Just because it's your tribe pumping out message X doesn't make it any more morally just than the views of other parties. And how refreshing to hear a Labour big wig saying:
Take the example of welfare policy. Listen to Labour and the assumption is that IDS wants to punish the poor, somehow that he gets off on increasing vulnerable people’s suffering. What we don’t think is that he wants to improve the lives of the poor but just doesn’t think that the current incarnation of the welfare state is the best way to achieve this. And yet, much of his programme is familiar to the last (Labour) government. Presumably our motives were pure, though.
Hammer. Nail. Head.
And:
What about the heinous charge that they want to “ideologically shrink” the size of the state. We, of course, want to use the state to do good things for people. Their wanting to shrink it clearly indicates that they don’t want to do good things for people. Clearly, therefore, they are morally bankrupt. Well, perhaps not. Maybe they think that over-taxing people is wrong and that an over-reaching state is in itself bad for the same people that we want to help? I am not saying that I necessarily agree, but I am saying that it is a perfectly valid view and one that is not intrinsically immoral.
Is it the End of Days?
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'And in the last days, the Pointy-Toothed Clown shall rise again when all the Parties become One and Coalition descends upon the Earth for ever more.'
That's what it says in the ancient prophecy what I've just wrote.
So yes, it's the end of days. Besides, Hell has frozen over and Satan is gritless.
If there are 5 million unemployed and only 500,000 job vacancies, IDS must want to punish the poor, seeing as he wants them to work for £1 an hour in useless chain-gang schemes.
Well, that's what I reckon.
And yet, much of his programme is familiar to the last (Labour) government.
So, governments of all hues reckon this crap is the way forward. Perhaps the real solution is to get shot of government and let individual people sort things out?
I like the sound of the idea of getting shot of government... ;)
Bloody hell Obnoxio, a month on holiday and now you're posting links to Labour Uncut.
WTF?
I`d like to take a shot at Government, I will bring a .50 cal and a skip full of ammo.
It appears to me that all of the political parties who pretend to be our friends consist of the mindless hordes led by the unscrupulous few. Mindless - because despite their apparent intelligence, they don't have the balls to question what they're told by Those Who Know Better. Unscrupulous - because they know how to lead them by the nose.
End of Days? Well, the signs are all there. Good job we have a true King coming to take His throne. Unfortunately for some, in Jerusalem not Washington DC.
Fuck me sideways? I know you like a bit of the other, but why sideways? Why not in a double bed with posture springing like the rest of us?
They obviously do have a sense of fun, calling their site Labour U Cunt.
But how refreshing to hear a little sense from the Fabian camp!
"We, of course, want to use the state to do good things for people. Their wanting to shrink it clearly indicates that they don’t want to do good things for people."
Non sequitur.
NOT(A.B) /= NOT(A).NOT(B)
rather, it is NOT(A.B) = NOT(A) OR NOT(B)
Not using the State to do good things is to not use the State OR to not do good things.
Is this disingenuous, or is it that some people have no idea of critical reasoning?
Fucking hell, it was peaceful here for a while...
The Penguin
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