Friday, 30 January 2009

"Killing innocent people is OK", says Dave Spart

For my part, I lined up with that section of the Labour left, headed by Ken Livingstone, which cultivated ties with Sinn Fein. While we hedged our support for ‘the armed struggle’ in ‘the six county statelet’ with this or that qualification, nobody in principle doubted that the IRA had some sort of moral right to utilise ‘the armalite’ as well as the ballot box against the British army.

Reconsidering the question nearly 30 years on, I still understand the logic of that position.

No wonder the left lionizes Guevara and Stalin and Mao, while denouncing Hitler. People can and should die because of socialism. It's only when they die because of fascism (is there a difference?) that it's bad.

Update: Doh!


DavidNcl said...

The IRA was a Marxist organisation as no doubt your aware.

The left has always seen violence as legitimate all the way from extorting taxes, eugenics, murders of its idealogical opponents and social extermination programs. That's what they are all about. Control. Force. Killing.

The Penguin said...

They seem to have a problem facing up to where their stupid ideology leads.

The Penguin.

Mark Wadsworth said...


Jack Maturin said...

Fascism is the name socialists give to the political ideology of Hitler et al, to try to mask its true identity and origin.

We should stop using the word 'Fascism' to describe this ideology. We should give it its proper birth-name:

"National SOCIALISM"

NAZI itself, of course, stands for "National Socialist German Workers Party". And the reason Hitler chose red to be the primary colour of the national socialist flag, was because it symbolised the same blood of the people that the international socialist flag symbolises.

There are some small differences, such that inter-national socialists hate and murder people based upon their religion, views, thoughts, beliefs, and ancestry, whereas national socialists hate and murder people based upon their religion, views, thoughts, beliefs, ancestry, AND skin colour and genetic make-up, but that's about it, really.

BTW, if you want to try something really scary, start translating Hitler's speeches and slogans into English and see which current well-known politician they remind you of:

"Ein Reich, Ein Volk"

loosely becomes:

"One Land, One People"

Who said something like that recently?

And if that's not ringing any bells, Hitler is responsible for one of the following quotes. A current well-known politician is responsible for the other one. Can you tell which one is which?:

A. "Our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition."

B. "Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

We, basically, are in a lot of trouble.

(BTW, a current well-known politician said 'A', whereas Hitler's was 'B' - I think Hitler would have changed the word 'poverty' in quote 'A', to 'greed', or something else equally harsh and critical towards laissez-faire capitalism.)

Ross said...

In fairness he doesn't just support killing innocent people for no reason. He supports an organisation that killed people because they believed that the ethnic group that the represented (Irish Catholics) had the right overturn the wishes of other ethnic groups (Ulster Protestents). Wait I'm not making it better am I?

Dave said...

Can rightists read English? I only ask because I specify *the British army* in the quote. The armed forces are not civilians.

Ross said...

"Can rightists read English? I only ask because I specify *the British army* in the quote. "

I can read English and can see that no one said that you did specify civilians. The phrase used was "innocent people".

Do you not consider British Solidiers to be innocent? Why did you believe that murdering them was okay?

JPT said...

He's stressing about the Lindsey Oil Refinery thing now...

my name is mike; said...

hey obno, got turned on to you by dr. dave (feedyouradhd). he´s right, good stuff (actually, he used the word classic). and now that i see the word varification "word" is repoop, i´m more excited to follow than i already was! cheers!

Oldrightie said...

The British Army is regarded as a tool of the establishment, other than Labour. They struggle to "turn" the army. Easier to turn the police, aka Ian Blair.
As for regarding British forces as fair game for leftie nastiness, I see why this Government abolished capital punishment for treason. Still exists for "inciting" anti-European action though!